Vehicule electrice și hibride

Started by cristi5, November 03, 2017, 02:03:04 PM

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nokia_6260

Ia uite ce promit baietii astia din Muenchen. Ei spun ca deja au peste 10.000 de comenzi.

https://sonomotors.com/en/sion/

Mamutu

Vloggerul din Norvegia Byorn a testat in cat timp poate face 600 km cu VW e-up! (cam 10 ore) - dar in Norvegia unde ai incarcatoare rapida CCS la tot pasul.
Dupa cateva incarcari rapide se pare ca viteza de incarcare incepe sa scada (cam ce s-a intamplat la Nisslan-ul Leaf generatia noua dar mai putin pronuntat "Rapidgate").
El vrea sa ii cumpere sotiei un model e-up! (este unul din cei mai apreciati vloggeri de masini electrice din lume)


voicul

A vrut masina electrica omu, fara sa isi de seama cat de repede se incarca  :lol:
Abia are timp sa se duca la baie si sa manance ceva pe fuga.

Mamutu

Vânzările de mașini electrice in Europa au fost de 2% in primul trimestru la care se adaugă 1% hibride care se pot încarca la priza (plug-in).
Romania pe locul 18, după Ungaria, cu 218 unități vândute.

Pe primele locuri cu 97,323 vânzări cca77% din total:

Norway – 23,405 (up 44.6%)
Germany – 23,326 (up 32.7%)
UK – 14,579 (up 2.9%)
France – 14,503 (up 33.0%)
Netherlands – 11,704 (up 110%)
Sweden – 9,806 (up 61.5%)
In UK urmează sa se introducă Tesla Modelul 3 luna viitoare.

Mai multe cifre in link-ul de mai jos:
https://insideevs.com/news/349361/passenger-ev-car-sales-europe-q1-2019/

voicul

2.5l cu 218cp si 6.3l/100 in B, nu e rau.


Ionut

Top masini hibride ieftine la vanzare in Romania. Peste 100 de autoturisme pot fi cumparate cu mai putin de 10.000 euro

Site-urile cu anunturi auto second-hand au la vanzare peste 100 de masini hibride ieftine, cu preturi sub 10.000 euro, intr-o piata cu o oferta destul de mica, de cel mult 500 de autoturisme hibride rulate de vanzare.

Top masini hibride ieftine second-hand
1. Toyota Prius
2. Honda Civic
3. Honda Insight
4. Peugeot 508 hibrid
5. Toyota Auris

Alte modele hibride care au un pret in jur de 10.000 euro sunt Lexus CT, Toyota Yaris III, Volkswagen Jetta, Citroen DS5, Peugeot 3008, Honda CR-Z. Anul trecut, romanii au inmatriculat in tara intre 500 si 700 de masini hibride noi si rulate in fiecare luna. Cele mai cautate masini hibride noi au fost Toyota, Lexus si Peugeot.

Wall-Street.ro

Mamutu

Tesla a finalizat achizitia firmei de baterii si condensatoare Maxwell.
E posibil ca in viitorul apropiat sa vedem condensatoare functionand alaturi de baterii si crescand astfel autonomia acestor masini.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/16/tesla-successful-in-buying-maxwell-technology/

https://www.maxwell.com/solutions/transportation/auto

Mamutu

Cavaleria a lansat Mercedes EQC, din păcate s-a cam rezervat producția pe următorii doi ani pe piata vestica.


Mamutu

S-au deschis rezervarile la Honda e, electrica de oras de la Honda, insa numai in UK.
Avans 800 Lire (returnabili) ca sa fii printre primii pe lista.
Autonomie cca 200KM.
Pret ?

https://reserve.honda.co.uk/en/reservation

https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/coming-soon/electric-vision.html

voicul

#999
Cum sa rezervi uratenia asta cu autonomie de doar 200 km?

Probabil nu va fi foarte ieftina ca nici acum Honda nu e pentru oricine.

kitsune

Frumusețea (sau urâțenia) stă în ochii privitorului. Japonia e plină de "kei cars" au devenit o a doua natură pentru ei. Și multe sunt proiectate după niște norme estetice care nouă ni se par ciudate. Dar lor le plac.
Autonomia pe de altă parte... păi nu prea ai loc de o baterie prea mare și ei pun accentul pe încărcarea rapidă în prezentarea mașinii.
Și ei cred că va avea succes:
QuoteAccording to Honda, it has received over 22,000 expressions of interest for the Honda e from all over Europe to date.
Natural stupidity is much more dangerous than artificial intelligence

voicul

Nu stiam de "kei cars" (mini in Europa). Ma gandeam ca la ei cultura si alte chestii. Dupa mi am adus aminte ca ei au si 100.000$/m patrat. Din lipsa de spatiu si costuri mari ... asa inveti cel mai repede sa te adaptezi.  :)
Sa nu uitam de hotelurile "capsula" din Japonia.

Totusi nu ma vad conducand long term masini mini. Adica Smart, E-Up - nu, ZOE e deja OK - pot sa ma adaptez.

Dar tot urata ramane Honda  :D (evident e parerea mea).

kitsune

Un raport publicat de Bloomberg referitor la autobuzele urbane electrice. Din păcate nu pot descărca raportul, dar din descriere pare interesant.

Electric Buses in Cities: Driving Towards Cleaner Air and Lower CO2

Air quality is a growing concern in many urban environments and has direct health implications for residents. Tailpipe emissions from internal combustion engines are one of the major sources of harmful pollutants such as nitrogen oxides and particulates. Diesel engines in particular have very high nitrogen oxide emissions and yet these make up the majority of the global bus fleet.

As the world's urban population continues to grow, identifying sustainable, cost effective transport options is becoming more critical. Electric vehicles – including electric buses – are one of the most promising ways of reducing harmful emissions and improving overall air quality in cities.

E-buses have much lower operating costs and can already be cheaper, on the basis of total cost of ownership, than conventional buses today. The TCO of all electric bus configurations that we modelled improves significantly in relation to diesel buses as the number of kilometers traveled annually increases. For example, a 110kWh battery e-bus coupled with the most expensive wireless charging reaches TCO parity with diesel bus at around 60,000km traveled per year (37,000 miles).This means that a bus with the smallest battery, even when coupled with the most expensive charging option, would be cheaper to run in a medium sized city, where buses travel on average 170km/day (106 miles).

TCO comparison for e-buses and diesel buses with different annual distance traveled



Source: Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Notes: Diesel price at $0.66/liter ($2.5/gallon), electricity price at $0.10/kWh, annual kilometers traveled – variable. Bus route length will not always correspond with city size.

Large cities with high annual bus mileages can therefore choose from a number of electric options, all cheaper than diesel and CNG buses. Even the most expensive electric bus – the 350kWh battery e-bus, slowly charged once per day at the depot – at 80,000km per year has a TCO of $0.92/km, just at par with diesel buses. Compared to a CNG bus, it is around $0.11/km cheaper in terms of the TCO. This indicates that in a megacity, where buses travel at least 220km/day, using even the most expensive 350kWh e-bus instead of a CNG bus could bring around $130,000 in operational cost savings over the 15-year lifetime of a bus.

Despite the potential operational savings, there are still some challenges for electric buses, with their high upfront cost compared to equivalent diesel buses being one of the biggest obstacles. To tackle this, new business models are emerging, involving battery leasing, joint procurement and bus sharing. However, our analysis of battery cost curves indicates that electric buses will reach unsubsidized upfront cost parity with diesel buses by around 2030. By then, the battery pack in the average e-bus should only account for around 8% of the total e-bus price – down from around 26% in 2016. Furthermore, increasing demand for e-buses could bring e-bus battery prices down faster. In that case, electric buses would reach cost parity with diesel buses by the mid-2020s.

The full report is available for download here.

sursa

Natural stupidity is much more dangerous than artificial intelligence

voicul

Quote from: prom on May 03, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
Salut, nu stiu daca scriu bine aici, dc nu, se poate muta. Intentionez sa imi cumpar un leaf SH cu rulaj pana in 100K km , an 2013 (ca sa am pompa de caldura) la 11-12 mii eur buget.

Ce face mai exact aceasta pompa de caldura?

Am gasit la un moment dat o poza cu panoul asta si am fost curios ce face (mai nimic):

kitsune

Pompa de căldură încălzește habitaclul mai eficient decât un radiator electric clasic. Nu intru in ciclul Carnot inversat că iar o dăm în discuții academice  :lol:.
Bucățica aia de panou solar probabil că ajută la menținerea radioului pornit, sau a LED-urilor din bord, că nu are mai mult de 10W. Știu că Skoda Superb avea odată un panou solar, se lăudau că poți lăsa ventilația pornită când e soare puternic în parcare, dar era ceva mai generos.
Pentru mai multe informații despre pompa de căldură:

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/heat_pump_cabin_heater.html
Natural stupidity is much more dangerous than artificial intelligence