Stiri si discutii diverse din aviatie in Romania

[RaduC]

De data asta s-a făcut de oaie rău!

[frunzaverde]

De data asta s-a făcut de oaie rău!

Oricat incearca diverse surse rusesti sa dea vina pe guvernul ucrainian, este improbabil probabil sa fie "opera" guvernului.

Guvernul are in management spatiul aerian al tarii, si, chiar daca tehnologia pe care o au la dispozitie e arhaica, radarele militare sunt corelate cu cele civile, asa ca stiau ce zboar unde. Pe urma, rebelii nu au avioane de transport (si nici nu au nevoie de ele), asa ca nu are absolut nici un sens sa doboare un avion de dimensiuni mari care se afla la 33.000 de picioare. Mai ales cand se bucura de simpatia lumii.

Daca ar fi avut loc oriunde altundeva in lumea care are acces la tehnologie sol-aer de tipul asta, as fi exculpat guvernul complet. Dar, Ucraina a mai facut una bucata prostie identica in 2001.

Acum, stim ca rebelii au acces la o baterie de rachete Buk (au capturat-o acum cateva zile). Se pare ca au si fost instruiti cum s-o foloseasca. Lucrurile or sa se incinga urat, urat de tot.

[iuli]

Comunicat TAROM

"We express our deepest regret for the tragic event that happened yesterday. Our thoughts are with passengers, crew members of Malaysia Flight 17 and their families and to all of Malaysia Airlines."

"TAROM announces that today flight, July 18, 2014, RO 241/2 Bucharest-Moscow, will be operated on a diverted route to avoid Ukraine airspace. The departure from Bucharest will be at 13:05, landing in Moscow will be at 17:05, 30 minutes late from the scheduled time (16:35 ).

The departure from Moscow will be at 18:50, 30 minutes late from the scheduled time (17:20) and landing in Bucharest will be at 19:30."

[pasadia]

The departure from Moscow will be at 18:50, 30 minutes late from the scheduled time (17:20)

Undeva e o greseala.

[igorashu]

Evident. Ora locală vs ora României.

[iuli]

Cerul Ucrainei azi

[Ionut]

Castiga Romania ceva din treaba asta cu Ucraina? La modul concret. Poate face un specialist si/sau pasionat un calcul aproximativ?

[iuli]

De castigat castiga clar. Fiecare traversare a spatiului aerian al unei tari se plateste. Dar cred ca e prea devreme sa facem calculele. Poate peste vreo 3 luni sa vedem o statistica comparativa si apoi sa facem calculele. Oricum, e vorba de milioane de euro in plus.

[pasadia]

La bugetul Romatsa, nu la vreun buget de stat. E o mica diferenta.

[iuli]

Corect... așa e. Dar nici Romatsa nu e o companie privată.

[ciprebbe]

Am auzit ca tranzitarea e taxata cu aprox.173 ron. Zilnic se tranziteaza s pre 20 000 de zboruri(asa se lauda Romatsa).
Cum spune si Iuli in cateva luni o sa vedem cat % e cresterea urmare a evenimentelor recente.

[frunzaverde]

Am auzit ca tranzitarea e taxata cu aprox.173 ron. Zilnic se tranziteaza s pre 20 000 de zboruri(asa se lauda Romatsa).
Cum spune si Iuli in cateva luni o sa vedem cat % e cresterea urmare a evenimentelor recente.

Nu e tarif fix. Depinde de cat zbori si de masa avionului. Formula de calcul este asta:

Nu = (distanta/100) * sqrt(mtow/50)

unde:

Nu = numarul de unitati de cost taxate. Fiecare unitate de cost e taxata cu 38.01 EUR. Nu se percepe TVA.

distanta = distanta de la intrarea in FIR Bucuresti pana la iesirea din FIR Bucuresti (spatiul aerian romanesc), exprimata in km, masurati in cea mai scurta maniera care uneste punctele (pe marele cerc).
mtow = masa maxima la decolare a avionului, exprimata in tone metrice.
sqrt = radacina patrata

Sistemul e reglementat la nivel european armonizat, este gestionat de Eurocontrol si e descris (pentru Romania) in AIP Romania GEN 4.2-1 - tarile doar au latitudine (limitata) la a alege valoarea unitatii de cost.

Mie din calcule imi dau sume mult mai mari (caveat emptor, sunt foarte obosit):

Tranzit vest-est: 777-300ER, pe una din rutele KARIL - DINRO si vice-versa (aproximativ Carei pana la aproximativ Mangalia), pe, de exemplu, culoarele UL624 + UN616: (650 km/100)*sqrt(351.5 t/50) = 17.234 unitati de cost * 38.01 = 655 EUR.

Tranzit nord-sud (folosit in general de operatorii de chartere din Scandinavia si Finlanda spre Antalia, Bodrum etc. - am zburat de cateva ori pe ruta asta): 737-800, BUKOV - DINRO si vice-versa (aproximativ Siret pana la aproximativ Mangalia): (510 km/100)*sqrt((79.01 t/50)) =  6.411 unitati de cost * 38.01 = 244 EUR.

Din nou, sper ca am calculat bine sumele.

P.S. Reglementarile, taxele si tarifele sunt disponibile pe site-ul eurocontrol pentru toata Europa. EAD Basic, care contine toate AIP-urile europene (deci date despre aeroporturi si starea lor, taxe si tarife etc. etc.), este disponibil gratuit, trebuie doar facut cont.

[Archi]

Si acum o intrebare ca nu ma pricep asa de bine:

In spatiul aerian situat deasupra oceanelor cine este "ROMATSA"? Cine incaseaza banii? Exista vreo organizatie internationala in acest sens? Operarea este gratuita? Desi nu cred ca din cate stiu si acel spatiu este controlat de cineva.

[get]

Nu am pretenția că mă pricep, dar de exemplu din ce s-a întâmplat cu Air France 447 cred că e destul de clar: radarul bate și el vreo 300 de km de la țărm, dincolo de acea limită tehnică nu are cine să te îndrume. Ești tu (pilot), sistemul TCAS (eventual) și bunul dumnezeu, depinzi exclusiv de sistemele de la bord. Ca atare nu cred că are nici cine să te taxeze.

În acei ~ 300 de km în care ești în acoperirea radar a țării riverane dar nu deasupra teritoriului național se pot aplica taxe, dar mai mici decât cele aplicabile în spațiul aerian controlat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoms_of_the_air

In addition, a lower fee (a so-called oceanic fee) of $15.94 per 100 nautical miles (190 km) is charged for flying over the international waters where air traffic is controlled by the U.S., which includes sections of Pacific, Atlantic, and Arctic Oceans.

[iuli]

Swiftair MD83 over Mali on Jul 24th 2014, aircraft missing

A Swiftair McDonnell Douglas MD-83 on behalf of Air Algerie, registration EC-LTV performing flight AH-5017 from Ouagadougou (Burkina Faso) to Algiers (Algeria) with 110 passengers and 6 crew, was enroute over Mali near Gao about 50 minutes into the flight, when contact with the aircraft was lost. There are no reports that the aircraft landed at an airport, that the aircraft could have reached. In the meantime the aircraft would have run out of fuel.

Swiftair and Air Algerie confirmed they have lost contact to the aircraft at about 03:00L/02:00Z.

Swiftair reports, their MD-83 departed Burkina Faso at 01:17Z with 110 passengers and 6 crew and was estimated to arrive in Algiers at 05:10Z but has not reached the destination. The airline is working to find out what happened.

Air Algerie report the last contact with flight AH-5017 took place at 01:55Z, about 50 minutes after takeoff. The airline have invoked their emergency plans.

Swiftair have set up a call center for family members of passengers: Phone number +34 900 264 270.

There are unconfirmed media reports out of Egypt/Lebanon that the aircraft may have flown around Mali, crossed into Niger's airspace and crashed near Niger's capital city Niamey.

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Transasia AT72 at Makung on Jul 23rd 2014, impacted buildings on approach

A Transasia Avions de Transport Regional ATR-72-212A (500), registration B-22810 performing flight GE-222 from Kaohsiung to Makung (Taiwan) with 54 passengers and 4 crew, was on final approach to Makung's runway 02 in strong gusting winds descending through about 300 feet AGL about 1000 meters short of the runway when the aircraft made ground contact, struck buildings and burst into flames. 11 people received injuries and were taken to hospitals, 47 occupants perished.

Taiwan's DGCA reported the ATR-72-212A registration B-22810 (14 years in service) was descending through 300 feet AGL, about 1000 meters short of the runway in the village of Xixi in the Husi Township, when the aircraft lost height at 19:06L (11:06Z).

Taiwan's DGCA further reported the captain of the flight was 60 years of age with 22,900 hours of experience, his first officer was 39 with 2,300 hours of experience.

Taiwan's DGCA subsequently added, that the crew had decided to go around and positioned for a second approach, but contact was lost during the second attempt to land. The weather conditions for landing were suitable at 1600 meters visibility, two other aircraft had successfully landed just prior to the accident aircraft.

Emergency services reported that the crew had aborted the first approach due to heavy rain reducing visibility.

The airline reported the aircraft had been delayed due to the typhoon over Taiwan. The aircraft departed but needed to perform an emergency landing near the airport at Xixi village, the injured passengers were rushed to a hospital. 54 passengers and 4 crew were on board of the aircraft.

Ground observers reported the aircraft had gone around one time already and was it on its second approach when it lost height and collided with buildings.

Another aviation service identified 4 month old aircraft ATR-72-212A (600) B-22817, this aircraft however landed safely in Taipei at 20:10L/12:10Z following flight GE-240.

Taiphoon Matmo was battering the islands at the time of the crash.

Makung's Magong Airport features a runway 02/20 of 3000 meters/9840 feet length. Runway 02 features an ILS Category I precision approach, both runways feature NDB, VOR and RNAV non-precision approaches.

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